you missunderstand.. the principles are clear.. but whether an mpc 3000 is your clockmaster or a pc laptop..the din sync clock generated out of that midi clock cant be beter than the source...darffader wrote:that cant be true.3phase wrote: when you dont do clocking via audio your dinsync clock is allways as bad as the midi master clock...
midi is a serial digital protocol
dinsync is an analogue TTL style protocol.
midi can have delays (due to other midi info on the chain)
dinsync is direct, has no delays
Any MIDI to DINSYNC conversion (like the ones in your 303's) has it's latency/delay and doesnt lock in right. so it cant be as bad.
so your argument only matters in conjunction with your audio interface trick.. without that its better to just stick to the midi theese days.. since i ve all the midi interfaces in my old machines setting up on stage is much easier..
however.. still like din sync on a 303 because i ve a special synccable with a switch that allows me to sto and start the 303 n the middle of the song to go into write mode...
in reality all this machines behave different on the clock..the 808 is extremly fast..the 303 rather late.. you allways had to puzzle which interface for which machine in the past..What midi interface do you use and how did you measure the jitter on the midi clock signal?
Besides jitter I also care bout the lock-in latency. Using dinsync thru audio ports there's is virtually no lock-in latency besides what is added internally in the 303.
with ableton live i can delay the midi prots on my rme independently..and all midi prots of my mt 4 globaly...
so i ve 3 different offset delays on stage.. the electribes are shifted early..the 808 late.. the rest somewher in the middle...
thats my problems with latency and i am better equiped to deal with that with midi theese days..
ther is a berlin guy that has build a 8 channel shifter device that features midi,din, and audio clocking..
nice machine.. but an extra baggage on stage... but i see the unit in more and more berlin techno studios..
i measure midi jitter by recording the midi pulses to audio via a terminated adapter cable and BANNED the distance between the pulses... if the clock is stable the max derivation of the count can be +/- 1 samples
thats what i ment... the songmode is anyway not worth to mention...a 303 TRACK MODE = SONG MODE can have up to 255 unique bars and a "jump to" bar
a x0xb0x track up to 16 bars..
but we have to keep that to the coders.. in case pattern dump would work one day one can use one os for writing lines and on os for playing them in song mode...
i do aswell..and people that look strange have no clue how much time that safes..ps: i use tap input too all the time but most of my friends look strange at me when i do so;)
i also wrote to the MFB guys about that his little nice 808 versions (mfb 522) miss tab input badly..
as a musican you often have an idea how a line should play.. if you dont have absolute hearing you might be uncertain about the pitches.. but you are most defently certain about the timing of a melody... t type that in is the only way to realize that idea.. when you start the xox process of dialing it in an 16 th step after the other the idea is most certainly gone before you are half thru it...
so beside timesafing the missing tab is killing musical ideas themself...
So antto when you read that.. go for tab input !! )
i know that this can be a bit difficult with the event timings... its important to have a rather wide window on each step to allow the writing of that step.. so in ideal the while beeing in tab mode the the window that accepts a buuton press as note input starts slightly before the actual step..and ends after 2/3 of 16 th period. and you need a detection of held notes..so when the key is not released before the window has passed the note is sustained.. maybe the 2/3 window needs to be slightly longer?
i patched such things for reaktor.. i know thats not so easy..but with a bit tweeking its allwright..the 303 tab input sometimes gets it wrong aswell..depends on your playing skills...
however.. in the xox we might be able to edit this while running.. would be great...