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The Technology Transplant / Cy reconciliation thread

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Ok,

This beef with Cy/TT needs to end. Too much energy is being spent on this and it really needs to be wrapped up.

The TT auctions now contain the following text:
I apologise to Limor at http://www.adafruit.com. The creator of this kit who licensed it as open-source MIT License to freely distribute as long as accredited . I only distribute as closely as possible to the original kits that are and were no longer offered by adafruit.com due to parts no longer available, they are mostly all obsolete people that I spent 10 years sourcing.

Limor, I've never been allowed the opportunity to address you personally, Only someone in the middle I simple have problems to communicate with.Who can't answer simple questions without offense.

I apolgoise again even for issues that have recently ocurred that are out of my control and not performed by Chipforbrains (cy) technology transplant which am authorized to distribute. ment of dismay over this whole affair. And especially to anyone offending by presumptions and more to my or adafruit clients.

So, if you are reading this auction to learn electronics, make your own similiar 303 clone, or whatever. Limor Fried, aka http://www.adafruit.com adafruitindustries LLC developed originally this kit based on the Roland TB-303 copyright Roland Corp, preceeded by Firstman, and before 'them' the late Dr. Robert Moogs patent #3,475,623 everyone did some fancy dancing around. That dancing is what its about. You can buy this as they last or wait until they are all gone at super prices, guaranteed new qaulity and accredited and genuine in every way. As always appreciate every purchase!
and some ppl in the chat have come up with some action items:

1) all topics concerning TT have to have "Resolved" prefixed to their titles
2) all topics concerning TT should have the apology added as the last post
3) all topics should be locked
4) all first posts in those topics should link to the relevant apology
5) all posts should be unstickied


Note: This tread will be deleted at some point.
Discuss!!!
Last edited by altitude on Sat Jan 08, 2011 5:27 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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Yo, it's Peace in the Middle East.

You forgot #0 and #6

#0 Technology Transplant and Cy will transfer all the Adafruit domain names they made.

Adafruit don't do anything until you have them! You never know if Cy will pop up again!

#6 Cy should apologise to the x0x forums here.

8)

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Re: The reconciliation thread

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i agree

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Re: The reconciliation thread

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Altitude wrote: 1) all topics concerning TT have to have "Resolved" prefixed to their titles
2) all topics concerning TT should have the apology added as the last post
3) all topics should be locked
4) all first posts in those topics should link to the relevant apology
5) all posts should be unstickied
I agree 100%

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Re: The reconciliation thread

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My $0.02, since I did not come up with those points:

I think all the provocative posts against TT should be deleted, there is no need to document said beef (i.e. "Chahae Yasaena "chipforbrains" threatens & extorts adafruit ") and dont see any purpose in posting his apology either. I do feel the BUYER BEWARE thread needs to go as well, google attacks are cool and all but last I checked, we are not Anonymous and I do agree with Robin that it is excessive and harmful to their business. I think the point was made and that has run its course. Regardless how I personally feel about the situation, I believe it is the polite, professional thing to do.

I also believe that TT should sell the domain back in good faith for whatever it cost to register it or at least pledge to not use it till it runs out.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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I agree with Altitude's last post.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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#7 Where is the applogy for this?
Cy Technology Transplant wrote:
Should you be interested in purchase of adafruitindustries.com an escrow should be setup by your attorneys at the price of $100,000 us$ (pricing before online inventory is put up only as a blank template site). Pricing is non-negotiable after inventory is loaded and our catalog sales become active.

Should you instead prefer to purchase this site. Again, please have your BANNED contact us and any further emails from you will be considered harassment.

Happy 2011 to you!

Cordially,

Cy
WTF?

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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AcidDr0p wrote:#7 Where is the applogy for this?



WTF?
At the top of this thread. That email has already been discussed to death

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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It has been also suggested that item 1 be amended to:

1) all topics concerning TT have to have "Updated" prefixed to their titles and "Resolved" when the domains are transferred to Adafruit

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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It's good to see things head in the right direction.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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Altitude wrote:It has been also suggested that item 1 be amended to:

1) all topics concerning TT have to have "Updated" prefixed to their titles and "Resolved" when the domains are transferred to Adafruit
Adafruit, I am law student, but this is not legal advice. I made a new account just for the TT reconciliation thread. I have no interest in getting involved with Technology Transplant or Cy. The mods can see who I am if they want to.

Adafruit, you do not need to do anything. And you should do nothing.

Technology Transplant and Cy committed crimes and you should not have any contact with them.

They need to immediately transfer the Adafruit domain names they registered if they want prompt resolution to the problems they themselves have caused.

End of story.

Please delete this throwaway account if you prefer.

Thank you for creating the x0xb0x. You deserve praise not threats from insane morons.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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All this looks good, it just seems to me there needs to be some kind of agreement that once this is all settled, that it STAYS that way, if at all possible.

One other thing, is that I would like there to be some method of communicating with CY about technical and support issues that come up here, with a focus on getting them resolved as opposed to casting blame back and forth. I know if I was selling a product (and I already have one developed, it just needs some capital to be raised to get it to market) I would want to keep on top of any possible support issues that may arise, no matter the source. Happy customers tend to be repeat customers.

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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Brassteacher wrote: there needs to be some kind of agreement that once this is all settled, that it STAYS that way, if at all possible.
Yes. The only way Adafruit can be 100% assured Technology Transplant and Cy will no longer use the Adafruit domain names for criminal or other purposes again is for Technology Transplant and Cy to immediately transfer the Adafruit domain names they have registered. Technology Transplant and Cy can transfer the Adafruit domains very very easily. Adafruit, if you want my assistance I can point you in the right direction.

This is not legal advice! I am not a lawyer yet, but play one on .TV!

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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PerryMason wrote:
Brassteacher wrote: there needs to be some kind of agreement that once this is all settled, that it STAYS that way, if at all possible.
Yes. The only way Adafruit can be 100% assured Technology Transplant and Cy will no longer use the Adafruit domain names for criminal or other purposes again is for Technology Transplant and Cy to immediately transfer the Adafruit domain names they have registered. Technology Transplant and Cy can transfer the Adafruit domains very very easily. Adafruit, if you want my assistance I can point you in the right direction.

This is not legal advice! I am not a lawyer yet, but play one on .TV!
Yep, this

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Re: The TT reconciliation thread

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Because of the avoidance and suppression of discussion (2 threads
closed in short order), after Cy pointed me to his two eBay pages with
his apology, I decided not to mention it on a forum thread. Since I
figured few, if any, of the concerned people would notice the new
eBay pages, I wrote about them, with my own comments and the text
of the apology via the adafruit.com forum system's private message
system to adafruit (Limor and Phil, I understand) and effectively Cced
in that system to Altitude, Brassteacher, antto, Computer Controlled,
isak, darffader and dnigrin. I don't like using such private message
systems and I wanted replies to be via email ([email protected]) I
never use IRC, instant messenger etc. I didn't have email addresses
for Limor or Phil and only had email addresses for a few of the others.

Shortly, after, I got an email that a private message had arrived. But
my account had been altered so I could neither read nor send private
messages. More such messages arrived while I was sleeping. Now I
can read the messages and the first one is from adafruit, telling me I
can use the forums but not to use the private message system for
this TT matter.

I am glad there is a thread discussing actions Adafruit.com could take
to help resolve the situation. I am not sure what the best approach
would be, in detail.

I can't prove anything absolutely, but I am sure it is not Cy who made
the fake site and extortion letter. He has consistently stated it was a
"friend" who did it, who he later identified as - "Mr He". Cy cites
many bad experiences with adafruit, is angry with them and shows no
sign of believing that further communication would be helpful.
Considering adafruit's repeated avoidance of my critique of their (IMO)
slanderous statements about Cy/TT while they also claim to be
discussing the problems professionally and in public, combined with
locking threads, and blocking private messages . . . and adafruit
wanting to drag out tenuous private email evidence from 6 months
ago that Cy once claimed to have designed the x0xb0x . . . I have
considerable sympathy for Cy's position of not writing to them directly
or via the forum. I am not sure that Cy can access the forum site
anyway - he indicated it was blocked by the Chinese government filter.

The whois record for the fake site can be read here:

http://whois.ename.com/adafruitindustri ... .ename.com

This includes an email address and information which as far as I know
has nothing to do with Cy or TT:

Administrative Contact Information: hezhiya
Registration Date: 2010-7-4
Expiration Date: 2011-7-4

Adafruit state that the same person - who they assume is Cy - has also
registered other domains which resemble "adafruit". The only obvious
one I can think of is ada-fruit.com - but no-one has registered this.

Adafruit stated that the fake site was on the same IP address as the
TT site, but this is not the case and was not the case when I first saw
the fake site.

My best guess is that the fake site and its domain is the work of Mr
He Zhiya. I assumed earlier that it was the work of someone in TT,
because it is at the same hosting company, but perhaps Mr He
uses the same hosting company.

Cy told me this Mr He Zhiya is the same person as timetraveller:

http://forums.adafruit.com/search.php?a ... 3&sr=posts

who wrote two messages in February 2010 requesting help
programming a CPU, and whose third and final message:

http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.ph ... 037#p79037

caused adafruit to assume that this was in fact Cy. AFAIK, Cy has
never written to this site - but I haven't read all the messages.

I have never met or spoken with Cy or anyone else in China. I can't
prove the fake site wasn't made by Cy or someone else in TT.
However, I think it is a mistake for adafruit and anyone else to
assume that there is only one individual behind all this or that the
fake site and its domain is actually the work of TT.

I entirely agree that the control of the fake domain should be returned
to adafruit.com. Last night, Cy described his friend's actions as
juvenile, but its my impression that he was initially more supportive
of the fake site - because both Cy and his friend are angry and
frustrated with adafruit.com. (I have not attempted to follow all the
details, but some of it seems to be in the past and some of it is
continuing, due to the Google prominence of thread 15930, which is
something adafruit.com could change.)

Cy has apologised vie eBay pages 290516602247 and 290515479206
whilst indicating he did not create the fake site: "I apolgoise again
even for issues that have recently ocurred that are out of my control
and not performed by Chipforbrains (cy) technology transplant".

I think it would probably be a mistake to assume that Cy controls the
fake site's domain, so if adafruit are only willing to bury the hatchet
after control of the domain is passed to them, then this feud will
drag on. Whoever it is who controls the domain is a damn fool and
should apologise to everyone for their malevolent actions. Returning
control of the domain to adafruit.com would be a sure sign - probably
the only true sign - they have grown up and recognised their mistakes.

adafruit wrote to me in a private message:

> robin really needs to have cy email us directly as well, he
> can cc: robin if he likes, but he cannot use robin as a middleman.

I have tried to help and I have repeatedly urged Cy to write to the
forums and directly to adafruit. There's no sign he will do this, and
adafruit's insistence on private communication is at odds with their
statement that they are discussing the dispute publicly.

While I have not read all the threads or followed the disputes in
detail, I sense that adafruit are overly willing to raise old complaints
and portray themselves as having been victims of Cy's actions - while
at the same time avoiding discussion of their own actions which
cause ongoing grief for Cy/TT. Some other highly regarded people on
this forum share my concern about thread 15930 and some of the
statements adafruit made in it.

I think a professional approach would involve adafruit taking greater
care with their own statements and withdrawing, deleting or archiving
(for humans, but out of reach of search engines) those things they
wrote which they now recognise as unreasonable and/or no-longer
relevant, and which cause a significant and unwarranted burden to TT.

This doesn't mean that anyone has to agree that Cy, other people at
TT, or Cy's so-called friend(s) have been without fault.

Cy has gone to some trouble in recent days to fix problems of
attribution in the eBay pages and now to apologise for the fake site
debacle.

I don't plan to write more unless someone misrepresents my position
or if adafruit makes changes which I think are helpful.

- Robin http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/

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