LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:35 am

I have the 2600mah Lipo battery hooked up to the USB / DC / Solar Lithium Ion/Polymer charger and outputted to a mintyboost.

Everything seems to work fine except the battery itself. It took over 9 hours to charge the first time via USB and then I tried to charge my phone with it the next day. I got maybe 5 minutes out of it before it stopped charging. I've since tried to charge the battery again and it takes forever before the green LED comes on. Again tried to charge my phone and it doesnt go very far.

If I plug the USB / DC / Solar Lithium Ion/Polymer charger in via USB and plug my phone intot he minty boost, it will go until charged, but that seems to just be using pass through at that point.

Any other suggestions? Could I possible have a bad battery?

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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by adafruit_support_bill on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:15 am

Are you using the standard charge rate? Or have you changed the charge-rate programming resistor on the charger?
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:16 am

No, standard rate. I didn't change anything on the charger.
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by adafruit_support_bill on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:30 am

At the standard 500mA rate, a full charge (starting from an empty battery) it typically 7 hours or more. But it should be able to power your phone for a lot longer than 5 min.

What voltage do you measure on the battery terminals with nothing connected?
What voltage do you measure when the phone is connected?
What voltage do you measure when the phone stops charging?
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:12 pm

I just went green again (done charging) a few minutes ago, I'm going to bleed some battery power off my phone then try charging and give you all those voltages.
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:29 pm

Done charging (green light) 4.19V
Waited 2 hours 4.17V
Plugged in phone 0.00V no connection for some reason, unplugged from charging board, 4.18V found after fiddling around for a few seconds, plug it back in
Charging phone 3.85V
Drops 0.01V every 60 seconds until it gets to 3.65V then drops out altogether down to 0.00V and phone stops charging
Total charge time ~ 10 minutes

I still think theres an issue with the battery, is there some other way I can test it?
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by adafruit_support_bill on Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:41 am

Yes, you have a problem battery. Contact support@adafruit.com with a link to this thread and ask for a replacement.
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:25 pm

Ok new battery installed, still think I have an issue. Definitely better but: Gave it a full 6 hour charge today, light went green. Hooked it up to my Galaxy S3 and it went from 23% to only 54%. I never touched the phone until it stopped charging. I figured I should get at least a full charge out of a 2600mah battery. For reference the GS3 has a 2100mah li ion
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by adafruit_support_bill on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:03 am

Was the phone turned off during the charge? Not sure about the Galaxy, but many phones disable power-saving mode when they detect that they are plugged into a charger.
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by tmayheu on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:08 pm

No the phone was on, but let's make this simple. The charging unit/battery is hooked to an unmodified Mintyboost. It outputs 500 mA. So shouldn't a 2600mah battery output 500ma for 5 hours? This charge lasted around 1.5 hours.
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Re: LiPo Battery not holding charge

by adafruit_support_bill on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:46 pm

Not quite so simple. 2600mAh @3.7v is not the same as 2600mAh @5v. Assuming 100% boost efficiency, your get an effective 1924 mAh @5v. With a more realistic 80% boost efficiency, that gives you 1539mAh, so at best you will get 3 hours.

The boost converter in the minty is rated for 500mA continuous. The actual current draw is determined by the load. Higher currents are possible up to a point. If the phone is pulling more than 500mA, the efficiency will suffer even more.
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